Monday, September 24, 2007

Highlights From the First Hour of the Values Voter Debate

If you want to see the whole video, check in out here.

Some moments that have stuck out for me so far:

The debate opened with a gospel choir singing, "Why Would God Bless America?", a diatribe against secular education and abortion sung to the tune of God Bless America.

Paul said that Jesus would oppose the Iraq War. In response, Brownback said that he thinks Iraq fits with the Catholic Just War Doctrine.

John Cox said that faith is meaningless without works. The only people who would be pissed about that were in the audience.

Huckabee gets massive applause no matter what he says.

Paul said that gun regulations stopped us from preventing 9/11.

Phyllis Schlafly, author of A Choice, Not an Echo asked a Karen Johnson-esque question about a "North American Union". It was (I believe) the fifth question of the debate, after gay marriage, abortion, Islam, and faith in general. Am I missing something here? In response, Paul got gigantic applause for saying the he wants to get out of the UN (most of the applause here), the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, NAFTA and CAFTA. Paul said that going to war to enforce a UN Security Council resolution was "criminal".

Tancredo really sounds like a girl.


Joaquin said...

What your missing is the formidable residual power the John Birch Society continues to have in the conservative moment. And no, I'm not kidding.

I like how Brownback is now a better interpreter of Just War Theory than JP II. Kidding aside though, it's funny how if Brownback really wanted the Curia Catholics (internal parlance for Catholics who agree with the entirety or nearly the entirety of Church Teaching), he could denounce the war and actually have a base to start from in this race besides the Inside Baseball types of the pro-life movement.

Instead, the ultramontanes(look it up)this year will stay home or vote Democratic--and the ones who otherwise would stay home will come out Democratic in force in the event of a Giuliani nomination.

Espo said...

The only thing that really angered me is Brownback's assertion that Iraq could in ANY WAY fit under the Just War Doctrine. It has been routinely condemned by the Catholic Church, and the conditions of the Just War doctrine are that:

* the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
* all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
* there must be serious prospects of success;
* the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

The Iraq War does not meet any of these criteria under any circumstances.

Devin said...

John Cox:
"You cannot serve both God and Money... as a businessman, I ..."

Alton Brooks Parker said...

Yeah, Brownback is pretty much a db. Thanks for saving me the trouble of looking up the Just War doctrine. I was about to do that.

Man, Devin. Citing one of the most obscure quotes from the most obscure candidate in one of the most obscure debates in the less glamorous of the two primary races, eh? You've obviously managed to keep paying attention a hemisphere away.

Espo said...

The perks of owning a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.